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Florestan Bronstein
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Posted - 2011.09.29 09:41:00 -
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The Apostle, have you ever considered that (a) nothing about this policy changed in a long time, (b) GSF is terrible at keeping secrets in general and (c) it would be very weird if there were not some CCP employees with alts in the CFC.
too lazy to write a wall of text, imagine it here
tl;dr everyone who cares is aware of the policies you cite and may have his own more or less informed interpretation of them. Do you think people like Sreegs were wearing blindfolds during their time in GSF? or were brainwashed to forget everything they ever knew about EVE when signing up with CCP?
(1) I am pretty sure CCP employees are well aware of (mostly informal) "blue code of silence"-style policies in major alliances and so far they didn't take any action against it - making the corp/alliance responsible for the conduct of its members in serious matters is always a slippery slope. You wouldn't want goons to move their bot alts into -A-, Atlas. or DRF renters, would you?
(2) As has been pointed out before - nobody can or will prevent you from reporting bots to CCP as long as you don't brag about it. But encouraging people to instigate witch-hunts or to report everyone farming their precious sanctums is to nobody's advantage... |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.09.29 09:44:00 -
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Headerman wrote:
Moving on from that, has there been any bot banned at all from no petition raised about it?
Has CCP banned bots from no leads what so ever? Think about it.
you might want to talk to some roidripper customers... |
Florestan Bronstein
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Posted - 2011.09.29 16:17:00 -
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there is a pretty large difference between an alliance that is not fully cooperative with CCP when it comes to fighting EULA violations and an alliance that exists to facilitate EULA violations.
Sreegs seems to address the latter rather than the former.
some people in this thread try very hard to make both things look as if they are the same.
Apollo-Moor wrote:Reporting someone for cheating in game and breaking EULA is in no means saying you are not loyal to your Alliance. Fighting along side them and defending space and whatever else declares your loyalty.
when your alliance says "we don't want snitches amidst our own" how loyal can you be to your alliance while being a snitch? |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.09.29 16:32:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I am not sure if it's your blind faith in Goonswarm or your stupidity that makes you think recruiting members and then immediately destroying thier ship and podding them isn't considered killing blues. (FYI Goonswarm is well known for doing this.)
I heard they also shoot blue dictors that managed to bubble their own fleet.... 
what a bunch of unruly anarchists! not even the beautiful color "blue" is sacred these days... |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.09.29 16:52:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:As a Goonswarm RecruiterGäó I can assure you that no individual who has been accepted into a Goonswarm corporation has been immediately set upon and been robbed and killed. If we really don't like somebody we don't allow them in because that would mean they'd have access to all of Goonswarm's vast OOG resources and it would provide them an opportunity to be a nuisance before a director would revoke their privileges and undo their actions.
I would assume he is referring to scam targets being accepted into a squad's alt corp (or a personal alt corp) for some time (which is ofc in the alliance) - they wouldn't get access to auth (as their application is handled through the fake auth system) but could see alliance chat for the time of their stay...
I can't comment on GSF but it is/was a somewhat common practice in TEST especially when the "recruiter" had to convince a scam target that it is safe to jump a carrier blindly into 6VDT. Being able to talk to all the other guys in alliance (while not knowing the corp you are in is an unregulated alt corp) makes some people very stupid. |
Florestan Bronstein
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Posted - 2011.09.30 08:17:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:How is this so controversial and confusing?
Endie wrote:we donGÇÖt play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either
Vile Rat wrote:There is a report bot mechanism, we encourage people to use it.
conclusion: it's fine to report bots but it is not fine to report goons (or goon bots). Confusion solved, no real surprises.
(In fact the answer to any internal discussion about "omg botting is immoral and WRONG" used to be "if you want to report bots you are welcome to do so - in DRF space") |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.09.30 08:34:00 -
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Just an idea I had while reading all the dev favoritism comments:
"Would you risk losing your job for a small advantage in a videogame? I am t20 and EVE is real."
It's interesting to see how the whole "EVE is real" stance sticks in player's minds - Sreegs as a RL person is obviously driven by the desire to destroy your EVE and all his life (including job choices) is just a tool in the pursuit of this glorious goal.
No way a cheese-snorting goon in a vintage bomber jacket could be less than serious when asked to speak in front of a sizable "pubbie" audience... |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.09.30 14:59:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:It's hard enough without people like the OP et al., making life more difficult.
OP says: "GSF supports botting by discouraging alliance members from reporting friendly bots"
Sreegs says: "A forum post is not enough."
Care to explain what sort of "pics" the OP should have provided to substantiate his claim? |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.09.30 15:00:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I challenge anyone here who thinks that botting is happening on a large scale to post evidence. Who cares about CCP. Throw something down to convince ME. Teach me how to spot a bot. Cause until anyone here gets off their ass and substantiates these claims - they remain that, mere claims.
go to a popular mission system without station, sit at the sun and watch the Ravens warp in, recharge their shield & cap and go back to their mission.
Get familiar with some bot and you will recognize obvious behavior caused by its default settings.
Keep your eyes shut and don't educate yourself about the different bots out there and the problem will be much less obvious. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.09.30 15:32:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
It's not obvious. If you have information, share it rather than assuming everyone is as "educated" as you.
the tl;dr of my post is "educate yourself"
sign up for botting forums, look at the bots they use, learn. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.09.30 16:05:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
But you dont have to wait for them. You could do everyone a favor and post that information right here, it would go a long way towards assisting your fellow players (which I'm assuming you show more respect than CCP) to assist you in your anti-bot campaign.
instead of posting huge walls of text you could just look up the old threadnaught on the botting problem - in there someone linked a website that collected intelligence on suspected bots (before the "report bot" feature was available in the client) and that also had a pretty extensive list of behavior that is typical for bots (i.e. what to check for before submitting a character name to their database). |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.09.30 17:19:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:nicer than expected
that's the site I was referring to: http://www.reportbots.com/university/ |
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